Encryption Isnt Working At All..

[Elahrairah]

Hi team Deluge..

I'm currently with a ISP called (karoo) run by Kcom.. They have traffic shaping measures setup and i've tried everything to avoid having my traffic shaped..

The only way really is to pay for newsgroups..

I'd hoped Deluge could help with its encyption as it seems to have helped some people, But i guess its not successful enough to beat (Karoo), which is a real Shame!!!

I've got my ports forwarded, all the correct settings, tried forcing inbound/outbound connections, Also tried encrypting entire stream, Also tried options with everything just on enabled.. I'm pretty used to using Torrent programs so i know its not just me being a N00b here, It just seems to be the unfortunate case of ISP beating p2p in this instance..

Thought i'd mention this incase anyone could actually come up with a solution to helping avoid at least some if not all the traffic shaping measures my ISP are implementing..

Its funny, if i download a torrent using Deluge with a large Seed + low peers, I do occasionally get the odd Seed slip through the 'net' so to speak and give me really good speed.. As to how/why this happens i'm not sure, maybe you can help answer that..

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Regards
Elahrairah

[MoJo]

Just from your own picture it would show that you are not being throttled ... believe me when I say this, you would really know when you are throttled. I used to be throttled with my previous ISP Rogers, and they would not let me get past 10KB/s you on the other hand are doing 317KB/s downloading and one of those Downloading to you is going at 80KB/s. I think your problem is that you do not upload as much as you should ... and there difinately seems like there is an issue with your network setup. DHT connected peers for the most part appears usually to be 200 and over ... for you this is at 91 something indicative of a network issue. Try the following tip I previously gave, see if this works for you.

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I don't get what you are saying? Are you saying that one version beats the encryption whereas the others don't? If that is the case, I really doubt that assertion as all versions have had Protocol Encryption (PE) ... and so one does not stand out more then another in terms of defeating Traffic Shaping. Make sure the settings are configured for your ISP, a good way of seeing how to properly configure PE for your ISP is to check the following:

Azureus Bad ISP List

Referencing from that site go and configure your PE settings in Deluge. I'll do an example, if you are using TMNet of Malaysia try these settings ... which are the Highest encryption levels.

Inbound: "Forced"
Outbound: "Forced"
Prefer Encrypt Entire Stream: "checked" or "unchecked" (We already have level set to "Full Stream")
Level: "Full Stream"

Also make sure your connections are reasonable ... if you have one connection downloading it tends to go faster then if you had 5 files competing for the same Lions Share of bandwidth. Try to also control the amount of connections you make concurrently, the reason the old Deluge one goes faster is that the newer versions have a connection throttle that helps in keeping cheap routers running ... but good routers can handle it if you raise the bar a bit. Try raising that amount in intervals and see where it starts to choke your router, the interval below the choking limit should be your choice.

Try these connection throttles: 50, 100, 200, 400 over 400 is trivial in my opinion and 400 should crash most commercial Routers ... if yours is still standing then keep it there or drop it to around 100-200 for best stable connections. NOTE: over 50 really depends on your Router, know your Router and test its threshold carefully as if this setting is misconfigured it can affect your entire network getting clogged just because 1 torrent is running.
Try these settings also in the Bandwidth Tab of your Deluge's settings page:

Global Bandwidth Usage Settings
Max Connections: [Replace with 250+MaxHalfOpenConnections. If at Default 8, then value is 250]
Max Download Speed: -1.0
Max Upload Speed: [Replace with a value that is 0.85*MaxUploadSpeed. 85% of your Maximum Upload Speed]
Max Upload Slots: [Replace with a value that allows for 4KB/s per upload. So replace with MaxUploadSpeed/4]
Max Half-Open Connections: [Replace with the amount your testing your Router with (50, 100, 200, 400)]

Per-Torrent Bandwidth Usage Settings
Max Connections: [Replace with 0.6*MaxConnections]
Max Upload Slots: [Replace with 0.5*MaxUploadSlots]

*Note: Make sure to round the nearest whole value for the above mentioned settings.

Also in the Downloads Tab set the Simultaneous Downloads settings to 3 ... allowing 3 Downloads to be downloading at a time.

With all those settings ... I think it should improve your Deluge experience. Play around with the settings, a bit of tinkering here and there can make Deluge even more powerful. Lastly remember to enable the Network Health Plugin, make sure it always is saying "Health OK" in the status bar ... if not, then it means your are Firewalled or behind a NAT ... and your network isn't getting a clear access to the net.

[Elahrairah]

Tried the above, Still no success, its gone 5pm, which is the time my ISP seem to start the traffic shaping, and straight away even with Deluge running correctly, my speed has gone from unshaped normal speed of 700+kib/s to the usual 5pm - midnight 50kib/s...

Deluge is not working!! the encryption obviously is not upto the task against a formidable ISP that is Karoo.. Shame!

Elahrairah

[Bodega]

Tried the above, Still no success, its gone 5pm, which is the time my ISP seem to start the traffic shaping, and straight away even with Deluge running correctly, my speed has gone from unshaped normal speed of 700+kib/s to the usual 5pm - midnight 50kib/s...

Deluge is not working!! the encryption obviously is not upto the task against a formidable ISP that is Karoo.. Shame!

Elahrairah

Stop whining and help us help you instead...

Are you using static ports, an interval or perhaps random?

[Elahrairah]

My apology for 'whining'!

Its just very annoying when nothing seems to help, i don't even mind being traffic shaped, just so long as i can get a little bit better speed using encryptions..

I've got ports forwarded correctly, i've tried all combinations of settings, forcing entire stream to just simply leaving the settings to enable, I've tried the net half open patch and changed the values to what others have recommended..

I'd like to help improve this client, its a nice stable simple to use client, I will gladly post ss's of certain settings i have etc if you if this can help show the issue's i'm having in more details

Regards
Elahrairah

[Bodega]

An ISP can shape traffic using a few different methods.

If we rule out that it is your account/IP that is being shaped, it could be the port/set of ports you are using or the contents of the traffic. Lets find out which it is.

Try changing ports (eg. instead of 6900-6910, try 6500-7500 or whatever) or try using random ports.

[Elahrairah]

Tried numerous different port ranges, The ones i have on now are forwarded correctly as when i check to see if ports are forwarded i get the 'ports *** forwarded' Yey

Now something i have noticed which is strange, I recently tried Bitcomet v6 and tried downloading a torrent i use to check my speeds due to its fantastic peer/seed ratio.. I always get max speed off this during off peak hours..

Now something i noticed when looking at seeds for this torrent on Bitcomet was that i was getting unshaped speeds from seeds named 'LS seeds' (probably got that wrong?) but these seeds seemed to be totally unshaped even during the 5pm - midnight traffic shaping hours.. Now when i try downloading the same torrent via Deluge, I do occasionally as mentioned in an earlier post, get the odd Seed which seems unshaped, giving me good speeds which could possibly be the same 'LS peers' which where giving me good speed when using Bitcomet with the same torrent file..

Can't understand why these seem to avoid the shaping, yet everything else is still getting shaped right now on Deluge..

I wish i was able to get more technical, but unfortunately, i admit to not being very good with networking issues etc..

Regards
Elahrairah

[Elahrairah]

ah. Just checked to see what the proper name for the fast seeds i mentioned are called, They come up as 'LT seeds'

Regards
Elahrairah

[loki]

From what I could find, LT seeds are local peers, as in, within your network. On a side note, have you tried it with the encryption completely off? This would be a way to see if the encryption is doing anything as far as limiting your connection speeds.

[Elahrairah]

Ah thanks,

I did think LT seeds where to do with local peers, This makes me wonder though, why do these seeds not get shaped?

I have tried setting deluge up with no encryption at all and it doesnt make a difference on or off, Just seems to use more CPU with encryption on, especially on 'encrypt full stream'

Regards
Elahrairah